I can spend hours seaching the website of the London Metropolitan Archives. Here are some records related to the Elliot family which I would like to see. In some cases, the descriptions alone give us additional detail to the information we already have.
1) Elliot, Robert.
COL/CHD/FR/02/1242/102
from the collection of the Corporation of London, dated July 1800
Company: Curriers Admission by Servitude/apprenticeship, master Thomas BURTON, Newport Street, Middlesex, currier, Father: Charles ELLIOT, Hayes, Middlesex, Victualler.
That's our Robert! This must be his formal acceptance as a currier. Thomas Burton, his master, was also his brother-in-law, husband of his sister Lydia. I can't find a corresponding record for any of his brothers.
2) Insured: Alexander Maxwell, 21 Bell Yard Temple Bar Bookseller.
May 3, 1819
CLC/192/F/001/MS11936/482/954135
Royal and Sun Alliance Insurance Group
Alexander Maxwell was the husband of Mary Elliot (daughter of Charles and Lydia Elliot). It would be interesting to see what he was insured for.
3) Admission of Samuel Stone, upon surrender of Mary Bailey, formerly Mary Hatch, widow of Edmund Bailey, and Richard Hatch, eldest son and heir at law of William Hatch.
ACC/1386/0084
June 7, 1805
This pertains to a property transfer in Hillingdon. The Edmund Bailey mentioned in this record may be Lydia Bailey's brother, rather than her father.
3) Papers of Executors of Charles Elliot, Deceased, Legacy duty, forms, accounts etc.
ACC/0538/2ND DEP 3714
1813-1827
I have a copy of Charles Elliot's will, but these papers, in the files of Woodbridge and Sons, Uxbridge, the Elliot family solicitors, would give a more detailed account of what he left behind. Charles Woodbridge of this law firm was related to the Elliot family by marriage.
There are also several files in the archives relating to Josiah Elliot's bankruptcy. For example:
4) Drafts and Correspondence Concerning a Proposed Release
ACC/089/02/08/0014 (to 0025)
The Adam and Eve: from the Collection "Fuller, Smith and Turner (Brewers).
5) Hayes--Particulars of Sale of the "Adam and Eve" malthouse, stabling, cottage, garden, orchard, and meadow in Hayes.
ACC/089/02/09/0025
From the above collection: receipt for deposit of purchase money by Josiah Elliot of Hayes. The description of the property that goes with the malthouse is interesting.
6) Lease. John Mickley to William Elliot.
July 20, 1792.
Messuage, currier's shop, garden and a building used as a leather cutter's shop down a yard off south side of Uxbridge, High Street. Term: 21 years. Rent: 14 pounds 14 p.a. With a list of fixtures.
Agreement for purchase, 1826, John Bailey to William Elliot for shop and bakehouse adjoining the premises.
From the collection of Woodbridge and Sons, Uxbridge, solicitors.
ACC/0538/2ND DEP/3075
Is this John Bailey related to the Elliot family?
7) Lease. Henry Lott Mason and Sarah Mickhem His Wife to William Elliot.
May 11, 1813.
Premises as in the lease above. Rent 21 pounds per annum, term 21 years.
ACC/0538/2ND DEP/3076
Woodbridge and Sons, Uxbridge.
Notice that the rent is much higher in 1813 than it was 21 years before in 1792.
8) Deed of Covenant to Surrender Copyholds Held of the Manor of Hayes. Mrs. Mary Bailey to William Morten.
March 25, 1837.
ACC/0538/2ND DEP/3718
Premises as in ACC/0538/2ND DEP3717 and three cottages erected thereupon also all that messuage divided into three in Baggs Lane, and a parcel of land with a dissenting Chapel in Hayes. To secure an annuity of 123 pounds. INCLUDES 26 Jan 1833 copy of the will of William Bailey of Hayes, sole legatee subject to a legacy of 200 pounds to Richard HATCH of Shottersbrook, Berks.
The land mentioned is part of the previous file (Agreement for Sale. William BAILEY to John Fox KEMP.)
Woodbridge and Sons, Uxbridge.
9) Miscellaneous Woodbridge papers including a number of personal letters.
ACC/0538/2ND DEP/1564
1839-1934; 33 items
These papers span a number of years. Wouldn't it be great to see correspondence from family in Canada?
10) John Elliot Has Taken The Oaths Required For A Justice Of The Peace.
July 12, 1798.
MJ/SP/1798/07/097
Is this our John Elliot?
11) Worshipful Company of Cooks
1616-1959
CLC/L/CH
Site location: Guildhall
With luck, we might find information about Charles Elliot and his apprenticeship--maybe even his father's name! This must be a huge collection.
Unfortunately, the prices for getting an archivist to look up a record for you are sky-high. I'd love a trip to London (sigh...).
Showing posts with label Edmund Bailey. Show all posts
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Sunday, August 31, 2014
Monday, June 30, 2014
Was Edmund Belys the father of Lydia Bailey?
It's difficult to track the parents of Charles Elliot or his wife, Lydia Bayley/Bailey. I have a possible candidate for the parents of Lydia, but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
The strongest documentary evidence for Lydia's parentage is her marriage bond. Generally the parents are not named on the bond, but as Lydia was apparently a minor at the time of her marriage (eg. under 21 years) her father signed the contract. He is described as Edmund Bailey, a farmer in Hillingdon. This document was dated December 1756. Both men signed their names.
We know that Charles and Lydia were married from Hillingdon Parish on February 5, 1757. Lydia is described here as being from Hayes parish, while Charles is from Hillingdon. I don't recognize the names of either witness. Notice the fluidity of spelling of the Bailey last name: the body of the document, written by the parish clergyman, writes "Bayley" but Lydia herself signs "Bailey".
We can also approximate a birth year for Lydia from her two obituaries. Lydia died on January 8, 1827, and was buried in Hayes on January 13th.
The Examiner of London, on Sunday January 14, 1827, published this death notice:
"On Monday, Mrs. Elliot, of Hayes, Middlesex, aged 90."
The Morning Chronicle on Monday January 15, 1827, said:
"On the 8th inst., Mrs. Elliot, of Hayes, aged 90. She has left to bewail her loss, nine children, fifty-eight grandchildren, and forty-three great-grandchildren..."
If she was 90 in 1827, she must have been born in 1737. That would make her 19 years old in 1756, which would make her a minor for the purposes of marriage, so the age fits her marriage bond.
Edmund was a fairly common name in England at the time, but Lydia was more uncommon. I have found a baptismal record for a Lydia Baylis, born September 30, 1737 to "Edmund Baylis, Carpenter, and Mary". The baptismal record is from St. Martin's Church in West Drayton, Hillingdon, also part of Middlesex.
There is another baptismal record from the same church, for a Mary Baylis, also a daughter to Edmund and Mary Baylis, baptized on March 5, 1739.
And finally, there is a burial record for Mary Belys on October 9, 1743, in the St. Martin West Drayton parish records. If Mary Belys is the same person as Mary Baylis, the record does not indicate whether this is the parent or child of Edmund.
So far those are the only records relating to the Baylis or Belys family that I have found at the St. Martin church. Unfortunately, the records I have access to are missing some years. The church obviously had a modest congregation, as the records do not show many births, marriages or deaths in any one year. Interestingly, this was the church which the servants of the Earl of Uxbridge attended, and the Earl himself was eventually buried there. If Charles and Lydia attended the same church, that would have provided an opportunity for them to meet and get to know each other.
The History of the Ancient Town and Borough of Uxbridge by George Redford and Thomas Hurry Riches (William Lake, Uxbridge, 1813), which was, incidentally, subscribed to by Josiah Elliot, mentions the connection of the Earl of Uxbridge's estate to Hillingdon:
I have been unable to find a will for Edmund Baylis, Belys, Bayley, Bayly or Bailey from Middlesex, excepting for an Edmund Bailey in Hayes who lived next door to Charles and Lydia Elliot. This Edmund was a carpenter, but was probably Lydia's brother, not her father, as she is not named in the will.
Another issue is Edmund's occupation. The marriage bond states that he is a farmer; the birth records state he is a carpenter. The Edmund Bailey in Hayes, presumably Lydia's brother, is also a carpenter; a family occupation?
Here is an earlier researcher's work on the Bailey family. No sources are named. Neither Lydia nor her sister Mary Bailey appear, although Edmund Jr. does. Notice that there are three Edmund Baileys, one in each generation. Lydia would presumably fit into the second generation. This is from the Pedigree Register, Vol. II, London, 1910-13, edited by George Sherwood. The Pedigree Register is "the official organ of the Society of Genealogists in London". Whoever the researcher was, he or she obviously knew that their work was incomplete, as they ask for more information. Note that this document places the elder Edmund Bailey in Hayes as well as Hillingdon.
The strongest documentary evidence for Lydia's parentage is her marriage bond. Generally the parents are not named on the bond, but as Lydia was apparently a minor at the time of her marriage (eg. under 21 years) her father signed the contract. He is described as Edmund Bailey, a farmer in Hillingdon. This document was dated December 1756. Both men signed their names.
We know that Charles and Lydia were married from Hillingdon Parish on February 5, 1757. Lydia is described here as being from Hayes parish, while Charles is from Hillingdon. I don't recognize the names of either witness. Notice the fluidity of spelling of the Bailey last name: the body of the document, written by the parish clergyman, writes "Bayley" but Lydia herself signs "Bailey".
We can also approximate a birth year for Lydia from her two obituaries. Lydia died on January 8, 1827, and was buried in Hayes on January 13th.
The Examiner of London, on Sunday January 14, 1827, published this death notice:
"On Monday, Mrs. Elliot, of Hayes, Middlesex, aged 90."
The Morning Chronicle on Monday January 15, 1827, said:
"On the 8th inst., Mrs. Elliot, of Hayes, aged 90. She has left to bewail her loss, nine children, fifty-eight grandchildren, and forty-three great-grandchildren..."
If she was 90 in 1827, she must have been born in 1737. That would make her 19 years old in 1756, which would make her a minor for the purposes of marriage, so the age fits her marriage bond.
Edmund was a fairly common name in England at the time, but Lydia was more uncommon. I have found a baptismal record for a Lydia Baylis, born September 30, 1737 to "Edmund Baylis, Carpenter, and Mary". The baptismal record is from St. Martin's Church in West Drayton, Hillingdon, also part of Middlesex.
There is another baptismal record from the same church, for a Mary Baylis, also a daughter to Edmund and Mary Baylis, baptized on March 5, 1739.
And finally, there is a burial record for Mary Belys on October 9, 1743, in the St. Martin West Drayton parish records. If Mary Belys is the same person as Mary Baylis, the record does not indicate whether this is the parent or child of Edmund.
So far those are the only records relating to the Baylis or Belys family that I have found at the St. Martin church. Unfortunately, the records I have access to are missing some years. The church obviously had a modest congregation, as the records do not show many births, marriages or deaths in any one year. Interestingly, this was the church which the servants of the Earl of Uxbridge attended, and the Earl himself was eventually buried there. If Charles and Lydia attended the same church, that would have provided an opportunity for them to meet and get to know each other.
The History of the Ancient Town and Borough of Uxbridge by George Redford and Thomas Hurry Riches (William Lake, Uxbridge, 1813), which was, incidentally, subscribed to by Josiah Elliot, mentions the connection of the Earl of Uxbridge's estate to Hillingdon:
From pages 150-152:
Another issue is Edmund's occupation. The marriage bond states that he is a farmer; the birth records state he is a carpenter. The Edmund Bailey in Hayes, presumably Lydia's brother, is also a carpenter; a family occupation?
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